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What is the best Linux mobile desktop environment? Boost for larger sample size.

@TheKernal none of them. The best is Silica ( #SailfishOS ), imho. The next best is Hildon ( #Maemo / #MaemoLeste ).

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I think Lomiri is the most stable but lacks app support right now. KDE is too weird for me in terms of UI setup. Phosh is the best overall at the above that I have used.

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It's Phosh, not posh.

IMHO, if we're only talking UI, not number of apps or anything else but UI, Lomiri hands down. I hope it will be available on more distros at some point.

@normandc @TheKernal #manjaroARM had Lomiri dev builds but I don't think it's been updated. I prefer Phosh myself.

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Yeah, there haven't been new Manjaro Lomiri builds in some time. No available people on either side to push through it.

To me, Phosh feels clunky compared to Lomiri. But I believe Purism is working on integrating more swipe gestures in Phosh, so it will certainly improve. One thing I don't like is how when you want to open a new app, the screen splits vertically with small open apps previews at top, and just three rows of the app drawer/launcher visible at the bottom.
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@normandc Honest to god I would use Lomiri if Ubuntu touch or Arch Linux Arm Lomiri was available on pinephone.

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But Ubuntu Touch _is_ available on Pinephone. Problem is, it's not as mature yet as say, Mobian. The UBports team is very small so they prioritize work on the 20.04 migration and Android devices. Some Lomiri builds were made on Manjaro, but I don't think there have been recently.

I like the Lomiri UI best, but I don't like Ubuntu Touch's design choices, so the best for me would be a more traditional mobile Linux distro with Lomiri, with Linux native apps, flatpaks, etc.

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When I say design choices, I mean the system, how it's locked up, not apt compatible, click packages, many things that make it more difficult to migrate projects to and from Ubuntu Touch...

@TheKernal I think Lomiri has the most potential. KDE and Phosh are distant 2nds. SXMO is a niche DE.

That said, Phosh is the most actively developed, but least likeable. KDE is unstable at the best of times. Lomiri isn't supported as well, and SXMO/SWMO is going to have the smallest general audience.

Lomiri is the standout IMHO, it's unique, functional and has a long history. It doesn't try to look like Android or iOS. It really is the essence of the Linux "go your own way" ethos. Sadly, everyone associates it with Ubuntu, and don't give it the support it deserves.

Phosh looks and feels too much like Android, pre-KitKat. Huge icons, really simple menus with no swipe gestures. I find it really hard to like anything about Phosh. That's not to say it's bad, just really behind the 8 ball, missing some major quality of life improvements.

KDE is interesting, neither good nor bad, and unstable at the best of times. Constant crashes, menus that don't work, copy/paste problems, arbitrary settings panels, no consistent theme. It's not a great experience, but I prefer it to Phosh.

SXMO/SWMO is in a league of its own. I don't think it can be compared to the others on this list. It makes sense from a technical standpoint, but it is lacking broader market appeal, and rightfully so. It was never designed with general use in mind. I'm not sure if it is an experiment or serious contender.

@anotherkiwiguy @TheKernal Phosh is a much younger project compared to the 10 years Plasma Mobile/Active already exists. What you currently see on Phosh, is not how Phosh should actually look like. It is in a state that should be usable and satisfies early adopter users while work on the compositor, gestures, toolkit etc can be done mostly undisturbed. The concepts on which Phosh gets build around are here gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Design/

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